Today’s conversation is with Tiffany E. Barber, who teaches in the Department of Art History at University of California, Los Angeles. In addition to a number of scholarly and public facing pieces, she is the author of Undesirability and Her Sisters: Black Women’s Visual Work and the Ethics of Representation (2025). In this conversation, we discuss the place of expressive culture in Black Studies, gender, race, and art historical research, and the importance of multidisciplinary work on expressive life for the history and future of the field.