Today’s conversation is with Lisa Ze Winters, Associate Professor of African American Studies and English and Associate Chair of English at Wayne State University in Detroit, Michigan. Currently, she is consumed with the day-to-day practice of mothering a Black girl in the time of now, and her current research interests center on Black motherhood and Black radical love and the possibilities therein in for imagining and enacting freedom for Black children. Her most recent essay, “Fugitive Motherhood, Maroon Revisions, and Otherwise Possibilities in William Wells Brown’s Clotel; or, The President’s Daughter” (J19, 2024), examines Brown’s theorization of the ontological labor of enslaved mothering and the revolutionary possibilities of fugitivity and marronage for the fugitive mother Clotel. Ze Winters is the author of The Mulatta Concubine: Terror, Intimacy, Freedom, and Desire in the Black Transatlantic (2016, UGA Press)